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Kellen's avatar

How are any of these better performances?

1. Babe Ruth 1916: Great pitching performance with subpar hitting performance, especially considering the era. 0-5 is simply not good in any era really. You're also counting things that didn't even happen in that game (29.75 consecutive scoreless is irrelevant when discussing a single game performance lol)

2. Morris 1991: Incredible pitching performance again but not a two way performance. 10 shut-out isn't even that rare that it hasn't happened before. Not even remotely comparable.

3. Jackson 1977: 3HR on 3AB is precisely what Ohtani did. Ohtani also pitched.

The rest don't even deserve mentioning because they're all outrageous comparisons. A player pitching and hitting in the SAME GAME is so much more difficult and rare that your only legit comparison is Babe Ruth in the 1916 WS where he went 0-5 at the plate, because...again...pitching and hitting in the same game is incredibly difficult.

I can appreciate sharing other amazing performances in the playoffs throughout history because even for me it was a great history lesson. Your summary quote is still incorrect though. Despite your strongest evidence, I see nothing to suggest any of those games were better than Ohtani's performance. In fact, I don't even see any in the same ballpark, much less better.

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Dean Ciriaco's avatar

1. Am I not allowed to point out that it started a World Series scoreless streak? Give me 14 innings in the World Series over beating up on a team that was already down 3-0.

2. 10 shut-out innings in Game 7 of the World Series has not happened before. You're right, Ohtani having a great performance in a non meaningful game (in comparison) is not remotely comparable.

3. 3 HR, on 3 pitches, against 3 pitchers.... to clinch the World Series.

4. You don't even acknowledge the Rick Wise game which is WAY better than Ohtani's.

The other three that you refuse to acknowledge are just better man. You are taking Ohtani having an amazing game against a Brewers team that was TERRIBLE that series and outside of I guess Yelich and Chourio have no real star (let alone anyone who his HOF bound.) I mean how can you say a perfect game in the World Series against a team that had five Hall of Famers in the lineup is "Not even in the same ballpark".

Stop being ignorant.

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Kellen's avatar

1. You can point it out but you're using it as justification on why a single game playoff performance was the greatest, that doesn't make sense.

2. Okay in a world series game yes but it's not a baseball feat we haven't seen before. Contextually it's rare just like Freeman's walkoff grand slam, I can give you that. I still don't believe that 10 shutout innings is in the same ballpark as someone who is going perfect at the plate while pitching 6 shutout in the same game...

3. I mean yes it's cool it was only 3 pitches against 3 pitchers but the outcome is precisely the same. You don't get extra points for hitting the first pitch or off different pitchers. Again, Ohtani also pitched on top of 3HR on 3AB.

4. Rick Wise game is obviously incredible. No doubt about that. To take a page out of your own playbook, it was a regular season game against a 32-39 Reds team. That's a far cry from clinching a World Series appearance against the team with the best record in the NL. Also, Wise had 3K in his no-no. Not discrediting his amazing game but 3K means that no-no relied a lot on defense and luck. There's a reason why K's are the most valuable - it's a pure out in a vacuum regardless of batted ball luck or defense. Wise's no hitter was a 2.88 FIP (again, against a bad team in the regular season). The expected ERA that game was nearly 3. Ohtani's FIP in his outing was 1.38 (in the pennant clinching game against the best record in the NL). All of those factors add up to a big enough difference imo. Any way you slice it, a no hitter with 2HR is nuts, just to be clear. It just wasn't as good because it was low stakes regular season against a bad team.

An NLCS closeout game doing something that is really only comparable to Wise's legendary game, in the hardest era of baseball. Love Babe like any warm blooded baseball fan does but the reality is he didn't have to play against African Americans and it was back when there were only what...16 teams total and the postseason was one decide-all series?

As far as the Larsen's performance. Obviously legendary and the most dominant postseason pitching game we've ever seen. There are several I'd put in that category of dominance. Morris '91 is right there with him. Halladay's no-no in 2010. Gibsons CGSO in '68. Madbum's CGSO in '14 and then coming back two days later to pitch 5 shutout innings in a game 7. Hell even Beckett threw a CGSO in the WS against the Yankees lineup that featured a ROY runner up in Matsui and FOUR players who received MVP votes (Posada, Giambi, Soriano, Jeter). There are contemporaries to Larsen's dominant pitching performance. The closest contemporary to Ohtani's is Wise's regular season game.

I'm not being ignorant, I feel like I'm being pretty straight up with you here. We're always judged by our contemporaries and to be in a level where there are no contemporaries is quite literally a league of your own. Don't need to be so aggressive, it makes your brand look bad.

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